Wow! What a firestorm. In the several days since Olivier Blanchard wrote Stating the obvious and I shot back with Can you outsource your Social Media presence to an agency? there has been 71 Comments on The BrandBuilder Blog and and — gasp — 89 comments on this blog! So, I will be spending the long holiday weekend bringing together some of the most interesting commentary. Today I will focus on some of the comments shared by my CEO, Mark Harrison, since he’s smart, savvy, and passionate while not really being much of a blogger so this is rare and great stuff.
The first comment by Mark is about how our agency, Abraham Harrison, can and does run social media campaigns and blogger outreach campaigns on a daily basis, effectively and seamlessly, and also aggressively and passionately over years to powerful effect:
Brilliant conversation! I do love all the analogies and metaphor-creation (and I’ll probably come back in a bit to give you my US Congress/Afghan tribal leaders/Pashto-speaking diplomats analogy…), but let me take a moment to pull this out of the theoretical and go into factual, boots-on-the-ground real life data for a bit.
As Chris mentioned, for some of our clients, Abraham Harrison has been handling their social media top to bottom with business-changing results. Just one example from a client who called us in originally because they were getting steamrolled with negativity in social media and needed to turn things around before it killed the public’s and their investors’ perceptions of them:
In one year:
- From an average of 5-10 strictly negative daily mentions on Twitter to 20-50 positive daily mentions and retweets reaching an average of over 122,000 people and making over 270,000 impressions a week
- More than 20,000% growth of Twitter followership: from 498 to over 100,000 followers
- From 3rd most followed company in their sector to 1st, with more Twitter followers than all of their competitors combined
- Over 45,000 Facebook Likes (starting from 0) and over 37,000 active users. From an average of 5-10 daily interactions on Facebook to over 175 daily interactions, and over 55,000 impressions a day (and all of this growing on a hockey-stick curve)
- Tripled blogosphere mentions in 10 months time
And ROI?
- Unique Monthly Visitors for the client’s site went from 50 MM/month to 129 MM/month
- Client’s membership base grew from 500,000 to over 2 million
This is just one of our clients for whom we handle social media efforts – and not even the most impressive example, just the one I happened to have all the stats on hand for right this instant.
Yes, some companies should consider doing their social media in-house. They should consider doing the search and hiring process, finding the techies, communications people, creatives, project managers, researchers, division executives, and perhaps foreign-language specialists to do the all the work. They should consider what it will take to train up all these folks and build out the infrastructure to support them. They should consider the timeline for all this to take place before they have a complete, coherent, effectively-functioning team in place, and the budget that build will take. They should consider the opportunity cost of the opps they are missing while they are pulling themselves together, and the risk that even with all this budget and effort, they don’t really know if the team they assemble is actually going to be knocking it out of the park when they finally get to work.
And, as an alternative, they should consider simply hiring Abraham Harrison for probably less than the cost of the one top exec they’re going to hire to spend all this budget and fill up th office space with all the well-paid staff they’re going to have to house and resource. And… if they hire Abraham Harrison, they know they have a team with a well-proven track record of extraordinary success in social media operations, with the ability to operate globally in 10 languages.
And… it’s risk-free. If one day the company decides they want to bring it in-house, they call me up and say, “Hey Mark, it’s been great…” and we go away. Try dissolving an in-house team overnight to switch to outsourcing. Neither cheap, nor easy.
Thanksgiving dinners and wedding planners and analogies and metaphors here or there, we have clear facts in black and white: outsourcing your social media to us at Abraham Harrison with our proven track record is going to get results starting the day you flip the switch, and will most likely do it at a significantly lower cost, at a much higher level of efficacy, and at a vastly lower level of risk than if you opt to try to build a social media department in-house.

Mark also wrote a very similar thing over at Olivier’s blog I’ll share here as well:
Hey Olivier,
Thanks for firing up so much valuable discussion – both here, and over on Chris Abraham’s blog. Thank you for all your comments there – let me reciprocate with some of what I wrote there in response to your comments:
The long and the short of it is that, actually, a company can successfully outsource the handling of client relationships in social media. We’ve got years of results and clear facts that show it. I know it offends your theory pretty directly, but the facts are facts, and it simply works – often better, and at lower cost than companies trying to handle the social media work in-house.
It’s good to draw up guidelines to help companies find their way in this new landscape, but when reality runs counter to the rules you make up, you have to adjust them accordingly. The fact is that the real world results show your rule #2 to be incorrect. so you should adjust that.
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Yes, some companies should consider doing their social media in-house. They should consider doing the search and hiring process, finding the techies, communications people, creatives, project managers, researchers, division executives, and perhaps foreign-language specialists to do the all the work. They should consider what it will take to train up all these folks and build out the infrastructure to support them. They should consider the timeline for all this to take place before they have a complete, coherent, effectively-functioning team in place, and the budget that build will take. They should consider the opportunity cost of the opps they are missing while they are pulling themselves together, and the risk that even with all this budget and effort, they don’t really know if the team they assemble is actually going to be knocking it out of the park when they finally get to work.And, as an alternative, they should consider simply hiring an agency like ours for probably less than the cost of the one top exec they’re going to hire to spend all this budget to build up a new team. Then they know they have a team with a well-proven track record.
And… when it’s outsourced to an agency like ours, the risk is vastly lower. You know you have an effective team from the first day, and if one day the company decides they want to bring it in-house, they can call up and say, “Hey, it’s been great… we’re not re-upping the contract.” and they are free.
It is important to create theories, and guidelines, and rules, but they have to reflect real-life results. The real-life results show that you can very successfully outsource your social media work and get the best possible ROI at much lower costs and lower risk than doing it in-house.
Your item #2 is not obvious. In fact – and in the face of the facts, it’s simply wrong. (And, obviously, #10 by extension is also wrong…)
Most of the other stuff though, is both obvious, and like most of what you write, right! 
And then, after Mark got lots of push-back from Olivier himself, Mark came back to expand upon his thoughts:
Hey Olivier -
Did you miss the “ROI” part – right after the SM metrics I quoted?
And ROI?
- Unique Monthly Visitors for the client’s site went from 50 MM/month to 129 MM/month
- Client’s membership base grew from 500,000 to over 2 million
THAT’s what increasing their Twitter followership by 20,000% did for the client, THAT’s the dollars-on-the-table value tripling their blogsphere coverage got them, THAT’s why our getting them 37,000 active fans on Facebook is relevant.
Quadrupling the size of a client’s customer base is absolutely the “helping this client meet their business objectives”. Lordy, Olivier, what more could you want as evidence that outsourcing social media to experienced pros is indeed often a really, really good business decision?
And my aim in this discussion is not to prove that my firm gets results – our clients, and much of the business world know that. My aim is to move this conversation towards real-world facts and away from un-backed theorizing, arbitrary rule-inventing, and finger-wagging fire-and-brimstone preaching. That is what irritates and alienates the business world and undermines the credibility of our industry in their eyes.
The fact is, your Obvious Thing #2 – that you supposedly can’t outsource the management of your customer relationships in social media – is just clearly, provable, undeniably wrong, and stating such untruths as gospel and “obvious” hurts our entire industry. There are so many people out there in the business world who’ve come to rolling their eyes at “social media experts” because there is so much unfounded BS and from-whole-cloth blowharding going on in our industry.
Repeating faith-based untruths will never make them true, any more than it made WMD’s in Iraq true. All it does is undermine the credibility of the social media industry.
You are one of the voices out there who speaks very little BS, and I want to help the authority of your voice to remain intact by pointing out when you are preaching an untruth, so you can correct it and not lose the power your words have in promoting our industry in the broader business world.
Please, for the sake of the credibility of your voice, revise your pronouncements to align with facts and real-world results. Otherwise, your valuable voice will slowly erode to being one of those you warn about in your Obvious Thing #10: one not “fit to be consulted on the subject”, and that will not be good for any of us in social media.
OK, I will work on collecting comments from both side